Democrats just announced a crazy plan to impeach Donald Trump

Democrats dream every day about new ways to impeach Donald Trump.

They just will not accept the results of the 2016 election.

But one Democrat just came up with the most insane reason ever to impeach the President.

Tom Steyer is a California billionaire thinking of running for President.

He’s spent tens of millions of dollars on a campaign to get Democrats to support impeachment in order to build his name identification with Democrat primary voters.

He appeared on CNN and came up with a new reason to remove Trump from office.

Steyer cited Trump’s anti-caravan television ad as the newest grounds for impeachment.

Breitbart reports:

STEYER: If you look at, we did get 58 constitutional scholars to opine on this and I’m not a lawyer. The most obvious ones are corruption, which is the emoluments clause. The Constitution says the president can’t receive a payment from a foreign country, which he does every single day through his real estate operations. Obstruction of justice, where we’ve seen him continually attempt to obstruct the investigation into his—

TAPPER: Right. Mueller will have the final word on that one—

STEYER: —Yes, they will. There’s going to be new information or the information is going to be certified by Robert Mueller and his team. There is the attacks on the free press. This is a president who is breaking all of the norms, all of the laws on a daily basis. When you watch what he’s done at the end of this campaign, when you see the ad he ran, when you see him saying to law enforcement officials ‘you should go to the polls to prevent completely fictitious voter fraud’ but actually to intimidate voters, this is someone who’s breaking his oath to the American people, his oath to the Constitution and those are high crimes and misdemeanors and it is urgent to get him out.

The simple fact is Democrats don’t care why Trump gets impeached.

They just want to undo the results of the 2016 election.

Democrats understand that defeating Trump in 2020 is a tall order.

So they want to undermine Democracy with a harebrained impeachment scheme.

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62 Responses

  1. Sheila Rose says:

    NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE DOWN WHAT GOD HAS BUILD UP AND PLACED IN POWER AND AUTHORITY.HOW STUPID IT IS FOR MAN TO GO AGAINST THEIR MAKER AND HIS WISHES AND THINK THEY WILL BE BLESSED.NO WONDER GOD SITS IN HEAVEN AND LAUGHS AT HIS ADVERSARIES.BE CAREFUL YOU TROUBLEMAKERS ,YOU WILL STAND BEFORE HIM (OUR GOD) AND BE JUDGED FOR EVERY IDLE WORD YOU SPEAK.

  2. Believer says:

    SHOWS the STUPIDITY of the DEMO-RATES.EVIL TO THE CORE OF THERE LIVES..
    THERE REALLY NOT WORTH THE LED AND POWDER IT WOULD TAKE TO BLOW THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
    SO WERE THINKING HANGING IN A PUBLIC PLACE>

  3. Betty says:

    Well, it takes a Crazy plan to Control & Lasso in a MADMAN like CRAZY donald!

  4. Navy PO2 says:

    I’ve had a belly full of wealthy billionaires running America.

    • Jerry says:

      Now with Sessions out, the President has the full ability to investigate Steyer, Soros, and all of the others who are trying to overthrow the duly elected President of the United States. Steyer has openly admitted his attempts to overthrow the government. That is treasonous! It is nothing less than a coupe de tate.

    • Betty says:

      NavyPO2, You just gave a perfect description of that White House WORTHLESS WORM!

  5. Joe Inzerillo says:

    Just a comment on the basis of impeachment . . . What does this contingency of ingrate leftists have as evidenceof impeachable offenses ? All I hear in the left-wing media are personal attacks, never being based on facts. They keep talking about things Mr. Trump never ACTUALLY uttered. They keep referring to “dog-whistle” comments. When Mr. Trump declares he is a nationalist (which I take as pride in being an American) . . . the press and numb-minded pundits say that’s a “dog-whistle” for racism. As long as we tolerate the imposition of mind-control by people who unfairly and arrogantly take the liberty to declare what others believe . . . this politically-charged droning will continue to fester.

  6. Joseph Inzerillo says:

    Well. . . you can’t say that the Democrats are keeping their campaign promises ! They ran on a “do-nothing to improve American society” platform and destroy the Golden Goose who paved the way to our current prosperity. If they destroy Mr. Trump by reversing his achievements and dropping prosperity into the ash-bin, then their (sick and demented) plan for the people to rely on government hand-outs can be reinstalled. How sick is that ? You say, that isn’t what they want to do ? They publicly and brazenly have declared that one of the first things they plan to do is to end the tax breaks and open the borders. They have committed to impeach and destroy. NOTHING that builds . . . only to destroy. The ill-inform and malignantly idiotic electorate is at blame. Good GOD !!! They elected Ocasio-Cortez to Congress ! UGH !

    • Jimbo says:

      Well tells ya the mentality of NYers. They need to have their soda straws confiscated as they might get choked by sitting on them.

  7. Cheryl says:

    Not only is it just more LUNACY for the Democrats it will NEVER HAPPEN!! WE HOLD the SENATE!! And ANY kind of a measure, especially an idiotic one like this will NEVER be ratified by the Senate!! It’s a BIG RED WALL now and that STOPS the Dems from hurting anything in OUR country!! This is why Trump sees this as a big win! They can run their mouths, all they want … start their pathetic tax payer funded BS investigations and they will go nowhere! By the way.. this President is not legally REQUIRED to turn over his taxes EVER! I do not blame him… because they only want to keep him and his lawyers tied up for years answering ridiculous questions! Trump has been AUDITED on his taxes EVERY year for 15 years and if the IRS has NEVER said he is in violation.. then the idiots do NOT need to see them!

  8. RightWriter says:

    (Impeachment alone, as we all discovered with Bill Clinton, is embarrassing but by no means fatal!) And btw, maybe Maxine Waters doesn’t understand this, but IF Congress DID manage to impeach and remove President Trump, THEY WOULD FIND THEMSELVES DEALING WITH PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE. I’m NOT sure they’d feel THAT was an improvement!

  9. Floyd Hardee says:

    All Republican House members should attend their next scheduled meeting and take with them some peaches and cream . Then start eating them and offer their Democrat colleagues some peaches and cream also. Then they should say enough with the impeachment demands. Let’s do our job, and solve some problems, and earn our salaries for a change. OK? Anyone want another serving?

  10. RightWriter says:

    Let’s face it: the new Democrat-controlled House CAN (and probably WILL) impeach the President. Impeachment, though, is only Step One in an effort to remove him from office.
    Having a majority in the House will allow the Democrats (if they want: Nancy Pelosi says it’s NOT a priority) to hold Judiciary Committee hearings to draft resolutions of impeachment (at least one, but as many as they like). Those resolutions have to be approved by a MAJORITY of t he HOUSE, which isn’t hard if they have a tough leader and can keep their own troops in line. After all, they just GOT their majority, and only a majority vote is needed.

    That’s what happened with Bill Clinton. The House adopted four articles of impeachment.

    BUT then, the articles adopted by the House go to the Senate, where a TRIAL is held with the Chief Justice as the presiding judge. This is where it gets tough: IT REQUIRES A 2/3 MAJORITY OF THE SENATE (that’s 67, for you math-impaired) to APPROVE EACH ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT.

    Now, we just increased the REPUBLICAN majority in the Senate from 51-49 to either 53-47 or 54-46. That makes it hard — virtually IMPOSSIBLE — for the Dems to corral 67 votes for impeachment — for ANYTHING, and certainly not for some specious excuse to “get rid of” a president the elites just don’t LIKE.

    That 2/3 vote is REQUIRED to “convict and remove” a President from office. In this case it would have to be found in the REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED Senate, and the best analysis of THAT possibility is “FAT CHANCE.”

    So, what it comes down to is that the new Democrat-controlled HOUSE might manage to IMPEACH the president, but there is no way in H*** that they can convict him of ANYTHING, much less remove him from office. And btw, maybe Maxine Waters doesn’t understand this, but IF Congress DID manage to impeach and remove President Trump, THEY WOULD FIND THEMSELVES DEALING WITH PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE. I’m NOT sure they’d feel THAT was an improvement!

    • Sandra Kirk says:

      Honey, it also takes 3/4 in the house as well as Senate. Both houses and they don’t have that many. It is DOA.

      • Frank says:

        Hi Sandra,
        Wish your numbers were correct. It would be much harder, but Article 1, Sect 3 of the Constitution requires 2/3 majority in both houses to uphold an impeachment. Dems don’t have it. They will only waste time and money and give Republicans a better chance in 2020

  11. Penelope Cloud says:

    I just want to know why there is a double standard on criminals? Everyday Joe goes to prison for crimes the democrats are and have committed. This is not right and should be unconstitutional.

    • truthistruth says:

      Because it has been hyped up by right wing conspiracy propagandist. Hillary has three investigations of her and they came up with no charges, much less convictions. Time to quit beating this dead horse.

      • With 28.5 years active duty time working multiple jobs, three being disaster, contingency, and deployment plans, to be found guilty of mis-handling of classified material requires only that the individual failed to secure the classified. It does not require intent or any other failure. Hillary used a personal, unsecured computer, kept in her home, where multiple people had physical access as well as electronic access. Hillary never used her Dept of State computer or her secured encrypted telephones. She claims she didn’t know what the codes at the top of each page stood for. BS! Hillary was one of 23 or 26 people in the Obama administration who were authorized to classify documents or information. In order to gain access to such information you must attend classes. Each point taught requires a signature on a document where you state that you have been briefed on this topic and understand what it entails and its’ requirements.
        Everyone she contacted over this system knew she was breaking the law. Yet no one not even Obama held her accountable. They are now ALL guilty.

  12. Jeff Metz says:

    Demonrats are the cancer in this country. To hell with them all.

  13. Native Texan says:

    The election is over and the people have spoken. Some of the result are regrettable. But we must respect the will of the people and move on. It looks to be a tumultuous time in the Congress for at least the next two years. Do not look for very much legislative work to be accomplished. The House will spend most of its time and effort to thwart Donald Trump and undo the progress the country has made in the last two years. We can only hope is that the Senate will not cave to all the demands of the House democrats.

  14. Philip Simon says:

    Nancy Pelosi, you want respect and be trusted again, clean up your own dirty swamp.

  15. Dr. JD says:

    What a great day to wake up and see the blue wave gave cintrol of House to Democrats – – – a huge win given how gerrymandered many districts are. Now, it is the first step into our TURN, and there is no way to sweep Trump’s corruptions under the rug, and we will have a REAL investigation, with subpoena powers. Adam Schiff will uncover what Trump has tried to bury and the truth WILL come out.

    • Kent says:

      now we get to look forward to two years of PMS overloaded hores bouncing up and down shouting ignorance instead of taking real issues in hand and moving America forward we will be flooded by democrapo estrogen… the pervert parasite commie party…

    • Phoebe says:

      Be careful what you wish for Doc! You know that has two sides to it and if Dems push too hard it may be the straw that breaks the camels back to so speak for the Dem party.

    • Do you mean the way all of Obama and Hillary’s corruption was ignored and swept under the rug? And yes Adam Schiffless can be counted on to do his part to gain puerile revenge against President Trump for defeating darling Hillary.

      • Dr. JD says:

        A while back I said you need to be prepared for some events you may not like. The pendulum swings back and forth, and with Trump’s popularity remaining low (55% unfavorable rating, and sometimes it has gone beyond 60%), that is to be expected. I expect this next election in 2020 will bring you more bad news. Some political analysts said that people tend to vote more against people and issues, and so this was clearly a referendum against Trump — – and the more he does, the more he alienates. What until we hear the full list of Donald Trump’s crimes and how much he has lied and the Trumpers believed him. He is a very good con man.

    • Frank W Brown says:

      Were you BORN stupid, or do you have to WORK at it??

    • Frank Cox says:

      You know Dr JD, if you read the law, collusion, just what we are doing here, is not unlawful. If you and I were the only cell telephone manufacturers in the whole world and we communicated/collaborated to set prices for those telephones and services…now that would be illegal collusion. Do you know what Kennedy said precisely to Khruschev ? I don’t either. A private conversation between two heads of state or two soon to be heads of state is not illegal. Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, Obama and now Trump all have had private conversations with foreign heads of state. Have they all broken the law? No! And no there isn’t any treason. Article 3, Sect 3 of the Constitution defines. treason and high treason. It requires giving aid and comfort to the emery during war. “Declared war” just as FDR did on Mon 8 Dec 1941. Congress declared that a state of war existed between the Empire of Japan and the US after the unprovoked and dastardly attach upon US military and civilians in Hawaii. Our nation dedicated itself to an all out effort to the annihilation and even the right for Japan to ever exist as a nation on the face of this earth. Now that’s what war is. There is no there, there. Dems need to quit talking about FEELINGS and start reading and learning the FACTS in the case and who did what in the “Deep State.” Trump has broken no laws. It’s also perfectly legal to buy someone’s silence especially for an incident that happened long before Trump even ran for office. Yet FAKE NEWS keeps calling Stormy Daniels, an adult entertainer. I believe Webster’s Dictionary defines a woman having sex with men and then receiving payment to do so as a whore. And finally there is nothing about the Progressive Party being progressive. The Bible says, It’s an “Abomination unto the Lord” and God set them aside, “bound them over to disobedience (Romans 11:32).” And no, I’m a Christian..not a homophobe! God Bless Your All.

  16. Felipe Gomez Jr. says:

    Everything you said and then some! What makes me laugh about this loser is his accusations of Trump’s so called breaking of law’s? It’s everything that the Demonrat Party is doing to break tons of law’s they are not even being investigated for? It’s all one sided garbage of lies! Which they seem to be very good at!

  17. Mary Navratilova says:

    I am very busy, but my children are sleeping. The Constitution mandates that the United States protect the States against invasion. Any politician who attempts to prevent the federal government from stopping the invasion is in contempt of the Constitution and violation of their oath of office. The Democratic Party and so-called Democrats want to take our guns, open the borders and wait for the illegals to kill us all, then so-called Democrats can run the country the way they want, and get all the votes they need from the illegals. Legal immigration yes, illegal NO! This so called caravan is an Invading Force of People and must be stopped at all costs. No country is the world would allow such a thing and the Federal Government is responsible for defending our nation against invasion. They may not be dressed like soldiers but it is an invasion non the less and must be repelled, stopped and turned back at what ever cost. I’m almost thirty years old pro-life and pro-family, relatively young woman and mother of six minors, six small children. I’m never stayed at home on Election Day. Today, I voted on this Election Day too. I vote against murders of the unborn children, sodomy, feminism, gender ideology and the Democratic Party in every election. I went to vote and I always vote only for pro-life and pro-family Republicans. The so-called Democratic Party is the extreme ultra left Neomarxist party. The so-called Democratic Party wants ultra left Neomarxist dictatorship in the USA! Politicians and supporters of the Democratic Party are Neomarxist extremists and the so-called Democratic Party is the extreme ultra left Neomarxist party. Their pro-abortion and pro-sodomy agenda isn’t the agenda of the American people. This is agenda of the Democratic Communist Party of the U.S.A., because this so-called Democratic Party is actually a new U. S. PRO-ABORTION AND PRO-SODOMY COMMUNIST PARTY and they will say or do anything to obstruct the Trump Administration. The Democratic Party and so-called Democrats want to stand for anything that will harm the country in their efforts to transform the United States into a totalitarian Communist state. President Donald Trump is doing a wonderful job in trying to do his best to clean up the mess of the previous administration! Remember this: a vote for the Democratic Party is a vote for ultra left pro-abortion and pro-sodomy Communism. Go Trump! Vote Trump! Vote pro-life and pro-family Republicans!! The Democratic Party and so-called Democrats want to control your life, tell you what you want to hear, what to do and tell you how to live. Most of our young people have no idea about our government, the history of our country because the history books have been changed to fit the ultra left and their Communist ideas. The Mainstream Fake News ultra left Neomarxist pro-abortion and pro-sodomy Media is reporting misinformation to the public which is a dangerous thing for the public who relies on this information to make informed decisions. To be misinformed can lead to the wrong decision. Unfortunately some people are just too stupid to know the truth and their ignorant gullable minds are of the sheep nature, being more than willing to be led to a slaughter by the filthy dirty ultra left wing, ultra liberal Neomarxist dogs. Please everybody, vote Republican and save this good country! God bless America, the American people, the pro-life and pro-family Republicans! God bless President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence for doing always what is best for the American people!

    • Felipe Gomez Jr. says:

      Everything you said and then some! What makes me laugh about this loser is his accusations of Trump’s so called breaking of law’s? It’s everything that the Demonrat Party is doing to break tons of law’s they are not even being investigated for? It’s all one sided garbage of lies! Which they seem to be very good at!

  18. karen rivers says:

    Trump will NEVER be impeached! If there were anything to happen to him Pence would take over for him and continue his work.

  19. Beverly says:

    I think he knows where he can put his billions!

    • Phoebe says:

      Yay Yay I am with you on that one!!!!!!!!

    • Eyeball says:

      RIGHT! And, by the way, HOW did an IDIOT like this EVER become a “billionaire”? He’s GOT to be selling air to Sea Bass. Swampland to ski resorts. If ANYONE Believes him, well, there’s your next state-supported asylum rat. Nope….if there is ANYTHING worth dying for it’s “ONE NATION, UNDER GOD…”. St. Michael, Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of Satan. May God rebuke him, and by God’s Direction and with His power, cast Satan and his minions into Hell from whence they came, and deliver us from pride, fear and despair. Amen. God Bless America! God SAVE This Nation! And God Bless President Trump and all GOOD people.

    • Dr. J.D. says:

      Yes, he is already doing that – – into Democratic campaigns. Used to be most of the rich supported republicans, but some really deep pockets (billionaires) really do not like Trump AT ALL.

  20. Carla Larson-Tucke says:

    First: The emoluments thing. Trump turned over his businesses to his son, Donald Jr., so there is no emolument, and that particular clause doesn’t apply to legitimate business deals that do not use the office holder’s position as a leverage. His businesses do not profit from him being President.

    Then: Attacks on the “free press”. Free press would imply that the press actually had the ability to freely report the actual news, which they don’t because their masters dictate content and it is all left and anti-Trump. Attacking the free press falls under freedom of speech. President Trump has never called for silencing of the press only that it report fairly, which it still doesn’t so clearly he’s not interfering in their “freedom”.

    Calling on law enforcement to guard the polls to prevent voter fraud is also not a violation of law, it is a fulfillment of law since voter intimidation is a crime. As for the ad regarding the violent nature of the caravans. it was not intended to intimidate voters, but to inform them of the consequences of not stopping the caravan, using an illegal alien who not only killed two police officers but bragged about it and regretted not killing more, to show what kind of people are heading towards our borders would not be a problem if the Democrats had used that tactic. It encouraged people to vote, not intimidated them not to.

    The woman in Georgia, Stacy Abrams, she has been intimidating voters by having Black Panthers sporting semi auto rifles (which she wants to ban legal ownership of) pose with her campaign signs and march through towns shouting things. That’s voter intimidation.

    I’m not a lawyer, but I’ve already shot holes in this plan. I bet a lawyer could do much better.

    • Steveur says:

      Carla… You covered it well, right down to that Abrams….only the Left can willfully intimidate and break wind while carrying what they are banning and utilize a criminal element to use as protection. Who says only whites are racists in action against others. Personally, after hearing her carry on with CNN, you have to wonder who graded her papers?

    • Very well presented. And of course correct.

  21. Glenn says:

    Steyer is a perfect example of why shooting LIEberals should be legal

  22. Jane Jackson says:

    Trump is Great. So is America becoming great again, because of Trump and his supporters. All we ask is to watch a news program without listening to onesided opinions. Who do these people think they are? They have more problems than they know they have. Thank for wisdom to see truth and good. God has shown he can use anybody; find scriptures in the Bible on this subject. Now get on your box, democrats, and do what you do best. Whine , whine whine!

    • Christine says:

      Whine? They do so much more then whine. They lie. They cheat. They make up their ridiculous stories where you would have to be totally from another planet to believe what is being said. Thank God most people see right thru them.

  23. Richard McClure says:

    Tom Steyer Is a Bernie Madoff Hedge Funds Manager so how much has he Stolen from Investor and hidden from the Govt. over the Years.

  24. David Muir says:

    WELL SAID. GOOGLE AND READ “THE SALTY SAILOR”

  25. G. says:

    A pack of nit witts

  26. Rodney says:

    Part of the oath, that all politicians take, states that they will defend the Constitution and the United States, against all enemies both foreign and domestic!!!!!! Here is the president’s Oath of Office, as outlined in Article II of the 20th Amendment in the U.S. Constitution: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.” So if President Trump, is doing this doing ,what then he is doing that is against the Constitution??????? Maybe Steyer should go back to school and relearn what the Constitution is and what it stands for and what it means to defend it!!!!!!!

  27. omegatalon says:

    While everyone in FAKE NEWS makes fun of Donald Trump as being a big baby; but one has to wonder who the babies really are because it’s the Democrats and Liberals in this country who can’t accept the results of the 2016 election.

  28. Mary Navratilova says:

    The Constitution mandates that the United States protect the States against invasion. Any politician who attempts to prevent the federal government from stopping the invasion is in contempt of the Constitution and violation of their oath of office. The Democratic Party and so-called Democrats want to take our guns, open the borders and wait for the illegals to kill us all, then so-called Democrats can run the country the way they want, and get all the votes they need from the illegals. Legal immigration yes, illegal NO! This so called caravan is an Invading Force of People and must be stopped at all costs. No country is the world would allow such a thing and the Federal Government is responsible for defending our nation against invasion. They may not be dressed like soldiers but it is an invasion non the less and must be repelled, stopped and turned back at what ever cost. Lovers and supporters of the caravan should be compelled to take in at least 20 of those invading illegal aliens into their own homes, and provide a monthly stipend of 2,000 dollars for each one. Illegal Immigrants must be stopped from coming into our country. I’m almost thirty years old pro-life and pro-family, relatively young woman and mother of six minors, six small children. I’m never stayed at home on Election Day. Today, I voted on this Election Day too. I vote against murders of the unborn children, sodomy, feminism, gender ideology and the Democratic Party in every election. I went to vote and I always vote only for pro-life and pro-family Republicans. The so-called Democratic Party is the extreme ultra left Neomarxist party. The so-called Democratic Party wants ultra left Neomarxist dictatorship in the USA! Politicians and supporters of the Democratic Party are Neomarxist extremists and the so-called Democratic Party is the extreme ultra left Neomarxist party. Their pro-abortion and pro-sodomy agenda isn’t the agenda of the American people. This is agenda of the Democratic Communist Party of the U.S.A., because this so-called Democratic Party is actually a new U. S. PRO-ABORTION AND PRO-SODOMY COMMUNIST PARTY and they will say or do anything to obstruct the Trump Administration. The Democratic Party and so-called Democrats want to stand for anything that will harm the country in their efforts to transform the United States into a totalitarian Communist state. President Donald Trump is doing a wonderful job in trying to do his best to clean up the mess of the previous administration! Remember this: a vote for the Democratic Party is a vote for ultra left pro-abortion and pro-sodomy Communism. Go Trump! Vote Trump! Vote pro-life and pro-family Republicans!! The Democratic Party and so-called Democrats want to control your life, tell you what you want to hear, what to do and tell you how to live. Most of our young people have no idea about our government, the history of our country because the history books have been changed to fit the ultra left and their Communist ideas. The Mainstream Fake News ultra left Neomarxist pro-abortion and pro-sodomy Media is reporting misinformation to the public which is a dangerous thing for the public who relies on this information to make informed decisions. To be misinformed can lead to the wrong decision. Unfortunately some people are just too stupid to know the truth and their ignorant gullable minds are of the sheep nature, being more than willing to be led to a slaughter by the filthy dirty ultra left wing, ultra liberal Neomarxist dogs. Please everybody, vote Republican and save this good country! God bless America, the American people, the pro-life and pro-family Republicans! God bless President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence for doing always what is best for the American people!

  29. Chris S says:

    Lock him and the whole corrupt clan up and throw away the key!

    • R Steven Reese says:

      It’s not clear to me, to whom you’re referring. Given the gender of your response, I have to assume you’re addressing the President and his Family. That leads me also to conclude that you think more with your phinxster than your brain. The irony of one who could accuse President Trump of selling out his Country, when someone so obvious as Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, James Comey or Mueller are granted more time and expenditures of the Public Budget, forces me to conclude you are an abject idiot with far more mouth than intelligence!

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